yyea im not sure if decisions like this should be based on kinda vague stats

Yeah I'm more behind the idea of the current staff presenting an option for a new staff member, then everyone just votes yea or no. I wasn't really imagining full on campaigns lol

OK

still not sure why we can't be trusted to make these decisions ourselves. and btw im not excluding mods from the community, i just dont get the xtra power outside of idk technical knowledge i guess??

This post was last modified: Sep 14, 2016 at 2:58 AM by Draku.

>mathematically measuring popularity

REEEEEEEE I shouldn't've used the word "popularity" in my posts. I'm not even a fan of the concept of popularity.

i dont think robert dude would win an election if people thought he was out to destroy the forum.

Yeah although it's funny to joke about strawman/tulpa/meme versions of le infamous mfggers I feel there is a lot to be gained by looking for the best in people. (In general, I no longert enjoy making boogiepeople out of persons for the way they behaved a decade ago, but I don't blame anyone who doesn't extend that courtesy to me. Fortunately, I've been open to burying hatchets for months now, and I've contacted a few MFGGers I hadn't spoken to in ages. This resulted in two particularly delightful conversations. Before bothering to talk to them, I had assumed they still hated me.)

another thing to keep in mind is perceived popularity isnt always real popularity and we dont know what popularity is until we measure it. and theres a big differences in popularity as in 'they should run the place' and popularity as in 'i like them'

While there could be a stat for this (Popularity/Ego/Hot Shit Lvl) I don't think it should necessarily be a deciding factor in community administration and moderation.

OK

still not sure why we can't be trusted to make these decisions ourselves. and btw im not excluding mods from the community, i just dont get the xtra power outside of idk technical knowledge i guess??

I'm not thrilled that ~don't trust the community~ is what you got out of my posts but I can see why you interpreted them that way.

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This post was last modified: Aug 3, 2016 at 10:37 PM by kaZaam.

ya im not saying that we need a new mod right now or anything. this is all p future-tense

I'm not thrilled that ~don't trust the community~ is what you got out of my posts but I can see why you interpreted them that way.

wasnt really referring to you there but ya i guess i'd like to know what you did mean

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yea "mod" is just kind of a coverall for ebery kinda Forum Authority for me

I'd love to see lots more specialized staff titles such as Tech Admin. The staff "bot" accounts like Santa and Lotto Bot are cool, but it'd be interesting to also see specialized staff titles such as "Event Collaborator" for special events. As for competitions, competition winners should still be in charge of making the next art/minigame/sprite/etc comp, but it'd be interesting to see a staff title like "Competition Wrangler" to give a member the authority to create a competition thread (in the event a competition winner vanishes from the forum) without having to contact the staff.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas that could be tossed around for specialized staff titles, so I say the more the merrier. I don't know if that was what wtl was going for but this sprung to mind when I read his post.

The only specialized staff title I don't understand the use for is Local Moderator. Why don't we just have Moderators instead of global and local ones? It'd also be cool to have Janitors who don't enforce rules but could be in charge of deleting goatse and stuff.

I think I derailed the thread. My bad.

clearly i have the best specialised staff title

This has been a great discussion so far with no mudslinging. New MW is the best

I'd love to see lots more specialized staff titles such as Tech Admin. The staff "bot" accounts like Santa and Lotto Bot are cool, but it'd be interesting to also see specialized staff titles such as "Event Collaborator" for special events. As for competitions, competition winners should still be in charge of making the next art/minigame/sprite/etc comp, but it'd be interesting to see a staff title like "Competition Wrangler" to give a member the authority to create a competition thread (in the event a competition winner vanishes from the forum) without having to contact the staff.

I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas that could be tossed around for specialized staff titles, so I say the more the merrier. I don't know if that was what wtl was going for but this sprung to mind when I read his post.

The only specialized staff title I don't understand the use for is Local Moderator. Why don't we just have Moderators instead of global and local ones? It'd also be cool to have Janitors who don't enforce rules but could be in charge of deleting goatse and stuff.

I really like all of these ideas, and yeah there should only be one type of moderator

This post was last modified: Aug 4, 2016 at 12:16 AM by Draku.

yeah its something to strive for and we should take steps to become closer to the Promised Community.

another thing to consider too is just theres so many different jobs or leadership positions where someone might be good at one but not another. just having vague admin/mods i dont think is the best way to go. some people are good at organizing events but bad at managing conflict, some people are good at technical stuff but dont want to deal with the moderation side, some people are good moderators but not too inspiring community leaders- we should have a place for everyone to do what they do best. no need to diminish each others skills for the sake of fitting into a forum mold that's been passed down from community generations

Agree completely, I love the Tech Admin role for example. Gives them everything they need to work on the forum but doesn't force authority on them either.


Absolutely up for whatever sort of special positions people can think of that would be useful. Competitions is a good start -- I was intending to get a handle on those myself but I'll admit that I fucked it up and it constantly slipped my mind. So I don't think I'm qualified for that.

This post was last modified: Aug 4, 2016 at 1:14 AM by Yoshin.

My thoughts:

Janitor - Just like a janitor anywhere else, cleans up any major rule breaking post
AdminPlus(don't use this name) - Give Elyk their own special group so they can be identified easier, they have full power over everything
Scryer - Posts news and updates in the news forum, probably also has the ability to pin threads
Honorary Admin - When someone who isn't an admin is helping the staff and needs some admin powers(like when I was working on the old mobile theme on old mw)

This post was last modified: Aug 4, 2016 at 1:37 AM by Elyk.

Moderators are enforcers foremost, not policy makers or representatives. There shouldn't be any sort of elections to select them. Imagine if you could vote for your police. The guy that gets elected is going to be the one that lets people speed all over the place. You don't want that.

If everyone wants to go 35 mph in the area marked 25 mph then you don't want a moderator that allows it, you want to change the rule. MW has always been, or tried to be (at least while I was in charge) very transparent with changing policies.

If members have an issue with a moderator or other staff member we can discuss matters to either correct actions or remove someone from a position.

Moderators are enforcers foremost, not policy makers or representatives. There shouldn't be any sort of elections to select them. Imagine if you could vote for your police. The guy that gets elected is going to be the one that lets people speed all over the place. You don't want that.

If everyone wants to go 35 mph in the area marked 25 mph then you don't want a moderator that allows it, you want to change the rule. MW has always been, or tried to be (at least while I was in charge) very transparent with changing policies.

If members have an issue with a moderator or other staff member we can discuss matters to either correct actions or remove someone from a position.

Excellent point that I hadn't even thought of, which goes to show how helpful input can be from people who have had real experience dealing with these types of issues. Makes me think the yearly "staff effectiveness discussion" thread could be a good idea, but maybe nothing beyond that.

AdminPlus(don't use this name) - Give Elyk their own special group so they can be identified easier, they have full power over everything

I don't really think we need to distinguish between admins, especially for the reason @Draku gave (he was unable to revert a ban dished out by a higher-up admin)

Admins should be equally powerful and we only need 2 - 3.

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ADMIN
Manages the forum and its contents. Moderates the moderators. Can mute and ban users.

TECH ADMIN
Code monkey for when the site needs a new feature or it breaks. Manages the forum and its contents. Can mute users.

MODERATOR
Moderates discussion and keeps the peace. Decides action taken against muted users. Can mute and ban users.

COMMUNITY MANAGER
An elected representative to sit-in on administrative deliberations and be a voice for the community. Can mute users.

EVENT MANAGER
An official title for official event organizers. Can mute users.

JANITOR
The first response for any nastiness that gets posted/reported. Can delete posts. Can mute users.

Muting a user would entail revoking their posting ability for 2, 4 or 6 hours. Basically one tier above a report, one tier below a ban. Ideally, this will be used when there are no moderators online but action needs to be taken. Once a mod or admin is online, they will decide if the muted user deserves a ban, to wait out their mute period (with no further action) , or be let off the hook.

ADMIN
Manages the forum and its contents. Moderates the moderators. Can mute and ban users.

TECH ADMIN
Code monkey for when the site needs a new feature or it breaks. Manages the forum and its contents. Can mute users.

MODERATOR
Moderates discussion and keeps the peace. Decides action taken against muted users. Can mute and ban users.

COMMUNITY MANAGER
An elected representative to sit-in on administrative deliberations and be a voice for the community. Can mute users.

EVENT MANAGER
An official title for official event organizers. Can mute users.

JANITOR
The first response for any nastiness that gets posted/reported. Can delete posts. Can mute users.

Muting a user would entail revoking their posting ability for 2, 4 or 6 hours. Basically one tier above a report, one tier below a ban. Ideally, this will be used when there are no moderators online but action needs to be taken. Once a mod or admin is online, they will decide if the muted user deserves a ban, to wait out their mute period (with no further action) , or be let off the hook.

I really like this