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This is a thread to have sourced, substantive discussions on socialism, communism, and anarchism. If you are here to not approach the topic seriously and post, I am recommending everyone else to report and ignore your failure to contribute to something that is, at its core, centered around how we can best serve all people on the planet.

I don't have a particular single topic I think is a good jumping off point, so I'd like people to read and comment their thoughts on the Communist Manifesto, which is available in many forms here:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/wo...manifesto/


I would also like for people who have questions to ask them.

you Cannot Contain Communism

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My Review of Zelda II.

Zelda II takes place right after Zelda I where after you rescue Zelda after a night of intense love making and fucking she falls into a permanent sleep and you have to wake her up by gathering pieces of the Triforce. Now I stopped playing this shit after about 5 hours and I was pissed because I wasted my Wii Points allowance on that shit when I could've gotten Street Fighter II Turbo. So anyway it plays more like an RPG and you level up stats by fighting monsters and defeating them. It's not bad in retrospect and it's kind of ahead of it's time as I believe this is one of the few action RPG type games that I can think of. The game also has villages where you can buy items, talk to villagers for hints and also have sex with women . Yep. This is the only Zelda where Link canonically gets some pussy. Crazy how he dies a virgin in all other installments that aren't Wind Waker which really just goes on to prove that Wind Waker fans are the true chads. You fucking edgelord dorks keep worshipping your grimdark Link. Maybe he's grimdark because his penis is going to explode at any minute due to lack of proper succ. Meanwhile Wind Waker Link gets to have sex with the beautiful Tetra every night and midway thru the session she transforms into Princess Zelda and it becomes a beautiful symbolic love making session while Ganon watches from Hell stroking his triforce of power dick.

The Kommunism Kontainment Korner!



KKK? That's not good...

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Good re editing of the OP Stir.
The only thing I would like to ask is comunism seems to be either highly favored or strongly disliked. Why is there no middle ground and what about it seems to make some seethe so badly? I've seen people call Stalin and Xiaoping terrible people as well and they appear to be very predominate in this movement.

Why is there no middle ground and what about it seems to make some seethe so badly?

years of being brainwashed by capitalist media

Communism doesn't work they say, but it was working pretty well amongst indigenous Americans who were collectivists for hundreds or thousands of years before we came and sliced them all to pieces for fun

I think an important clause often left out of the "communism doesn't work" mantra is "if everyone is an asshole". When people are not assholes and they actually want to treat life like it's not a race, it seems collective ownership of production+distribution works pretty well

I think an important clause often left out of the "communism doesn't work" mantra is "if everyone is an asshole".

So it never works

I think an important clause often left out of the "communism doesn't work" mantra is "if everyone is an asshole".

So it never works

If you mean to imply that europeans succeeded in removing altruism from the human spirit, then you may be on to something

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That's not what I'm implying at all

This mythical version of communism I've heard about from every single communist I've talked to that has never been tried could only ever exist in a place where everyone is altruistic. In other words, it could never work in reality. Race doesn't come into it.

That's not what I'm implying at all

This mythical version of communism I've heard about from every single communist I've talked to that has never been tried could only ever exist in a place where everyone is altruistic. In other words, it could never work in reality. Race doesn't come into it.

Who have you talked to? What have you read on the subject?

That's not what I'm implying at all

This mythical version of communism I've heard about from every single communist I've talked to that has never been tried could only ever exist in a place where everyone is altruistic. In other words, it could never work in reality. Race doesn't come into it.

Meanwhile, capitalism is something that isn't working in reality right now

Obviously laissez-faire corporatism hasn't really turned out to work in the general public's favor, so we should think outside the box to explore other options, including but not limited to communism

The reason many people are attracted to communism is that it has succeeded at removing oppressive power structures in the past - these are events we can learn from, for all their successes as well as their failures, instead of shunning them like they're just unquestionably bad for some reason

Like I said before, Native Americans had absolutely no contact with the outside world and yet many of their tribes had no concept of private ownership, so obviously capitalism isn't the only economic system compatible with human nature. Seems to me human nature has both good and bad aspects, and we should trend toward an economic system that rewards + relies upon the good ones instead of basically encouraging everyone to be selfish and step on as many other people as possible

But instead the discussion always comes back to communism's failure, how may people it killed, etc. How much as capitalism failed? How many people has it killed? These points are curiously left unaddressed in most of these discussions, because according to centrist geniuses we're meant to assume the economy we currently slave under during this arbitrary point in history is the best one that could possibly exist. If your definition of success in an economic system is its ability to enable success for a majority of people, then it seems like capitalism tends to fail often, and drastically. Its failure is so widespread, in fact, that the US tends to spend our tax dollars on military coups to replace up-and-coming socialist governments with fascist dictators who will be more likely to provide desirable resources to us at an affordable cost, thereby increasing the profit margin and concentrating more private capital in an even smaller area (i.e. the entire point of capitalism)

However, under that same definition, it seems communist revolutions have been very successful in the past at lifting an enslaved majority out of poverty that previously seemed inescapable. It seems that when an exploited class is given the option to seize power over the means of production and distribution, they normally choose to do so. It's almost like the alternative solution of allowing limitless amounts of wealth to be accrued by individuals, who can then purchase the rights to other people's labor to quite literally earn money for nothing, is nonsensical and shitty

I don't purport to be an economist or a political scientist or anything like that, but my belief is that if humanity can't survive without a system that rewards them for exploiting other humans, we don't deserve to survive, our evolution was a huge waste of time, and we should fuck off so all the other cool animals on this planet (who obviously have fairness and equity figured out a lot better than we do) can enjoy it in peace

boring!!!

brooo haha

is there a way to mute a thread so that it doesn't mark a forum as unread when new replies are posted

yeah

Communism doesn't work they say, but it was working pretty well amongst indigenous Americans who were collectivists for hundreds or thousands of years before we came and sliced them all to pieces for fun

so you're saying that it's possible to create a nice system that works for localized smaller splintered communities/tribes but would never work on the level of an entire large country?

i would say the current US is a failure because it tries to apply a blanket government to everyone and states don't have as much autonomy as they used to. and even within states the needs of large cities and literally everyone else within that state are completely different. whenever someone is elected half the population will absolutely hate them and the other half will be mildly pleased. if you look at a map of the rep/dem split democratic areas are all of the high population tiny clusters while republicans are lower in number, but are spread across a far far larger area of the map, and it's not that surprising to think as to why these different styles of living would wind up with people that have different beliefs and things that make them happy

this is not to say one side or the other is wrong, just that trying to govern EVERYONE under some big umbrella is going to wind up with everyone being pissed off about compromises and vastly different needs clashing forever so nothing gets done. native populations worked because they did NOT unify in some grand way, even if that made them easier to conquer and slowed their progress. so there are tradeoffs, obviously.

Seems like a huge communist government would have some of the same problems as a huge capitalist one. The main difference now is that we're laboring under the threat of death and not because we feel compelled to help

Seems like a huge communist government would have some of the same problems as a huge capitalist one.

you're not wrong there. i agree entirely with that.

but looking at the history of communist nations vs the history of capitalist nations i personally would pick the lesser of two evils, even if i still think it kinda sucks shit.