This post was last modified: Jan 6, 2021 at 5:27 AM by Stirling.

First, a disclaimer. If you value your innocence or just don't care for porn that isn't vanilla (happy, consenting adults), please pretend this thread doesn't exist. You don't need to know what I put in the spoilers. It won't make you happy. It doesn't make me happy to know about these things.

I'm not a fan of NTR, but I'm tired of novels being rated one star just because a potential heroine picked someone else instead of jumping on the MC's dick. Therefore, I decided to mention some genres/fetishes that I consider pretty much objectively worse than NTR in hopes that people will realize that, in fact, NTR is not the worst. Also, for ease of pronoun use, I'll mostly write as if protagonist is male and heterosexual but these things can happen with any gender or sexual preference. Also, for argument's sake, I'm assuming that these are acts perpetrated by or against the main character, and not stuff that happens to side characters or villains.

First, NTR: Show

Okay, there are three main types of NTR. Most people hate netorare, are confused by netorase, and are okay with netori, but a decent amount of people hate all three.
Netori = protagonist steals a girl from someone else. In most regular novels, the protagonist is treated as a hero for "saving" the girl from her scum boyfriend/husband/lover. And in most regular novels, he throws the girl into his harem and neglects her or treats her pretty much the same as the other guy would have. There are some romances with legitimately good protagonists, though, and purely heartwarming emotional NTR. When you have R-18/adult/mature stories, you see a lot more scummy protagonists doing all the bad stuff to the heroine like rape, blackmail, brainwashing, etc.
Netorase = Speaking of scummy protagonists, netorase is basically the main character pimping his lover out to someone else (or a group of people) for various reasons. Money, social position, some kind of tradition, maybe it's just his fetish. Usually the lover doesn't necessarily agree to it at first. Usually the lover leaves the MC by the end.
Netorare = The MC has his lover taken from him. The lover is unwilling at first, but is raped, blackmailed, brainwashed, pressured, tricked, drugged, etc. Eventually all that stuff isn't needed anymore because the lover can't be satisfied by the MC or the MC rejects her after discovering she's not pure. The reader is not supposed to identify with the MC, but read as an observer. It's about enjoying watching a successful guy fall into despair, using the lover as a tool. Yes, it's disgusting and horrible, but not in the way most people seem to hate it.

So what do I think is worse than NTR? Please note that if you're squeamish, you won't enjoy reading the spoilers ahead. I didn't enjoy writing them. This is specifically for people who think "NTR is the worst!"

ryona: Show

... Googling it gives a very specific definition that's not quite accurate (videos of female characters being beaten up in fighting games? lol). The ryona genre is basically 1) A woman being sexually abused or tortured; 2) From the woman's point of view. Typically, but not always, it's a strong woman like a martial artist, a hero, a CEO, a teacher (being abused by students).

Lots of mature novels have just a bit of this to show how great the protagonist is for saving the damsel in distress, but if a novel or story is actually tagged ryona, it has to have a heavy focus on that and be written mainly from the woman's point of view. The genre is a lot more popular in manga/anime/game forms (Taimanin Asagi is one of the more famous series of the genre iirc), I think because if it's a novel readers are more likely to read from the MC's viewpoint, and most readers don't want that to happen to them.

Good luck on getting full translations of stories like When I Woke up in the Morning I Became a Silver Haired Loli Vampire. A good(?) example of this that I think is available in English from beginning to end is a webcomic called "Nana's Everyday Life". Sorry in advance if you remember reading it or look it up.

pedophilia: Show

No explanation should be necessary, right? If you hate the MC being NTR'd more than you hate the MC getting overly intimate with a six-year-old, at least don't admit it in public.:blobpoliceangry: I'm not going into the question of how young is too young; just accept that there's a line, and accept that there are MCs who cross that line, and accept that I won't provide specific examples.

guro: Show

Guro is the worst. Literally, the name comes from english "grotesque" and for the genre applies to anything "malformed, unnatural, or horrific" for example. The easiest way to look at it is, if you encounter it in real life you'd probably feel grossed out. Tentacles fall under this category. So does necrophilia and bestiality. If I had to compare having a woman stolen from the MC to ... things I don't want to remember picturing... well, he can always get the girl back or find a better one.

Light guro would be fine for most people... Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi has some examples, like
The main character's penis size and how it distorts women's bodies when it's inside them. And then Claudia (ugh, especially in the latest scene with her...).Moderate guro is something like Death Mage - frequent inhuman alterations and disgusting/abnormal parts, but it's not constantly thrown in your face. Just often enough you can't forget it's there.

Heavy guro is... something that I doubt you'd see translated. I saw a visual novel called "Nyotai Kyouran ~ Chaos Body ~" and saw the cover pic and description (never played it though) before I understood what guro was, and afterwards I had a new bar on what constitutes "the worst thing ever". Then there are stories involving being covered by insects and maggots and giving birth to monsters even as a man. Apparently in erotic ways.

Do you still think NTR is the worst thing ever? If you do, please give examples of pure NTR that's worse than the ryona web comic or the guro visual novel I mentioned. If you don't, please reconsider rating stories one star just because one bad thing happens to the main character. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower to try and wash off some of this filth... why won't it go away... :notlikeblob:

***EDIT***
After some comments, I feel the need to add that I'm not talking about the fetishes and people who enjoy them. I'm just saying that worse things can happen to your NTR victim than losing a lover to someone else. Heck, it might actually be therapeutic if you have NTR trauma to read a story where there's some NTR partway but the MC gets her back or finds someone even better. That said, I'm not trying to force anyone to change what they're reading; I just don't think you should rate/review a novel poorly just because it does a tag well. If you don't want to read NTR, you can just filter out the tags on NU.

shut the fuck up zelma

hell yeah new train road

real talk though two things.

one, if netorare is so good why is there no nteorrare 2

secono d of all, if the netorare initials are ntr, for NeToRare why is the second r not capitalized

why is ntr not ntrr

youtube recommended me sakura kasugano ryona and i'm putting the blame squarely on you