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Ace Attorney Case 1-4: Show

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god damn 1-4 is such a good case.

I'm having the time of my life. Can't believe I missed out on this shit for like 20 years.

This post was last modified: Apr 30, 2022 at 8:44 PM by Reeb.

Just finished 1-4. Damn, that was fucking GOOD. Excellently written case, so much shit that came together. Even the stuff I pieced together I felt like was elaborated on brilliantly. The most satisfying case so far for multiple reasons.

The funniest takeaway I've had from this game thus far hasn't even been the game itself. The game's been great, don't get me wrong, but I've been streaming it to some of my buddies the whole time, the majority of whom've already played through at least some of Ace Attorney.

There's a part in 1-4 where von Karma refers to his daughter as having a dog named Phoenix when Phoenix tries to connect an animal to its owner via it having the name of someone formerly engaged to them.
Karma stipulates that this must surely mean Phoenix is engaged to her.

Me, dully, reaching to take a chug from my water bottle because doing a von Karma voice hurts my entire throat: Depends; is she hot?
Literally 3 out of 5 people in the call with me: *unhesitatingly* yeah/OH yeah/yes
Me: *taking a drink for like 4 seconds longer than I planned, processing this immediate response to my shitty joke* i, uh, will take your word for it

LMAO

she isn't

This post was last modified: Apr 30, 2022 at 11:00 PM by Reeb.

Ace Attorney 1-4 Again, Afterthoughts: Show

So I slept on the case. I have some actual concise thoughts to say on it now.

Von Karma is great. His comical nature comes from the same thing that makes him imposing: controlling the entire courtroom. Moreover, though, adding to this aura of complete control is the man's utterly mad preparedness. We would've lost on Day 1 if Phoenix didn't dredge up Lotta, who I can only presume Karma preferred calling as a witness because it prevented him having to unnecessarily tie himself to DL-6 if someone somehow figured out who Yogi was. Even though he had less than a day to prepare the witness and she had a big mouth, he managed to turn her vague testimony into an advantageous one. Would this have worked in an actual court? I'm not so sure, because that photographic evidence definitely wasn't as decisive as he wanted to claim it was, but for a first attempt at deflection it was solid. Even with everything stacked against him he would've gotten away with it if not for Maya having an outburst and prompting Lotta into inadvertently amending her testimony.

On Day 2, we meet his original star witness, Yogi. What's his name? Oh, that doesn't matter, he's a forgetful old man and it's been lost to time. Wait, doesn't that prevent him from serving as a witness? No, it's his long-term memory that's damaged and his short-term memory is intact, and he's got a concise testimony. Personally I wouldn't call this testimony very concise whatsoever, but what're you gonna do? It's enough to convince our ELI5 Judge, though frankly, I think von Karma could've said that Edgeworth sneezed really hard and that projected the bullet out of his nose where he'd stored it and murdered a man and this judge would've been like "Oh yeah, I see. Very well."

Anyway, once again, Von Karma has the trial wrapped around his little finger, this time a fair bit more legitimately. Convincing the Judge isn't a hard feat, and convincing him otherwise seems to be a Herculean task by comparison. He's got Phoenix trapped after a vague testimony with his witness unconscious on the stand, something nobody seems to care about for the rest of the case for some reason. Phoenix has to take him up on a sarcastic suggestion to cross-examine a bird and have Maya yell weird questions at it while he points at a casefile from fifteen years ago that connects the witness to a guy who would have a reason to hate Edgeworth and goes a ways towards implicating him as the real killer.

Yogi vamooses. Karma has, ONCE AGAIN, planned for this and he goes to enact his final backup plan: If he can't get Edgeworth convicted on this in a plain and simple way, then he's going to get him convicted based on what happened fifteen years ago in a misremembered traumatic flashback utilizing the power of his own guilty conscience, which I can only assume Von Karma knew about due to him mentoring Edgeworth. He must've let it slip at some point.

I want to give a dark shoutout to Grossberg at this point for continuing his track record as the worst attorney in the series, given that while trying to explain this all to you he makes it sound like if Miles isn't convicted tomorrow for DL-6, then the statute of limitations will run out and he will attain a free Murder Badge for killing Hammond. Seriously, the way he phrases this makes it sound like he wouldn't be culpable for killing Hammond at all, and I'm pretty sure the intent was to insinuate that Karma's backup plan of implicating Edgeworth for his bad memories wouldn't be able to go off if the statute passed, but boy if he didn't phrase it like shit. Maybe this was a localization issue.

Grossberg goes on to state that killing his father in the way that Edgeworth did though may have been accidental, but it STILL MAKES IT MURDER!!!
Actually, Grossberg, that'd make it involuntary manslaughter. Maybe you're just kind of bad at your job; no wonder your books all look unread.

Anyway, at every twist and turn, Karma has only been foiled by sheer circumstance. The witness just HAPPENS to talk too much. There HAPPENS to be another witness that he hasn't accounted for whatsoever. Phoenix decides to CROSS-EXAMINE A FUCKING BIRD and Von Karma is somehow prepared for this! How the fuck did he retrain a parrot in the span of a day?!

Also he fucking attacked us with a stun gun in the middle of a police station. That was pretty surreal.

Karma was amazing and I'm sad to see him go. He lost to literal spiritual intervention, a girl jumping on his taser to steal evidence that HE was stealing, a god damn parrot, and a man just pulling a metal detector out from under his desk in the middle of court. I hope he somehow gets more appearances later. Flashbacks, maybe?

ETA: hey y'know come to think of it since the Prosecution loves calling half a dozen witnesses per trial, when we lost the plans that straight up revealed who orchestrated this entire plan, why didn't we ask Grossberg to testify about literally seeing the murder plans written in Von Karma's handwriting? I'm sure that wouldn't've been a smoking gun since von Karma would've been like "YOU FUCKING DUNDERWITS WHERE IS YOUR HARD PROOF OF THIS ACCUSATION" and Phoenix would've been like "Dang" but it could've bought time and established that a well-respected senior attorney thought our accusations held weight

the one thing you have to keep in mind with penix write is that it's a satire of japanese court. in japan prosecutors work very closely with the police, down to deciding if a crime is worthy of going to trial or not, meaning that courts technically have like a 90% conviction rate. the game exaggerates that into a legal system where falsifying evidence is commonplace and judges are used to wrapping their cases up in minutes.
kind of a lame excuse because it's like saying "NO IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC" but it's useful background, especially if you're expecting some law and order type shit.

Oh yeah, I know this's definitely satire of the Japanese court system, but it makes it way funnier to me to try and apply my limited legal understanding and see where it actually applies and when AA decides to ignore it for the sake of the case. Things like Grossberg not knowing the definition of manslaughter and making it sound like Edgeworth's going to win a Killing Game trial if this happened any day but Today Specifically are mostly noted because they cracked me up, not because I think they're serious representations of the characters in any way.

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This post was last modified: Apr 30, 2022 at 10:23 PM by Reeb.

The caretaker in 1-4 had a kotatsu and it was super over-explained like he had this amazing epiphany to put it together
iirc Maya was astounded and like "WHOA WE SHOULD TRY THAT"

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i've been playing professor layton 6. honestly i was just treating it as a cute puzzle game and it's lit for that. like a jillion puzzles and there's little mini games and side quests and shit
but i got near the end of the story and holy fuck the plot twists make we wish video games did not have stories.

Spoiler: Show

professor layton is fucking adopted because his parents disappeared trying to solve humanity's ultimate puzzle and his older brother is the real professor layton but they swapped names so he could get adopted first. their dad went insane trying to solve the puzzle and then he fsr forgot he had kids so he adopted someone too and she was a side character for like the last 3 games. and then all of these assholes happen to come together in the secret ancient ruins without any of them realizing that they're all related.

crazy these mother fuckers can make 11 matchsticks into a dog but they can't make a coherent story

been playing Death's Door, which asks the big questions like "what if john dark souls was a funny little bird"

i keep getting fucked by 2 breakers at the very end of act 2 while i'm trying to solo back 4 blood

sorry for the bump i wanted to say me and my brother have been playing the final fantasy 7 remake and its so fun lol. its like playing a movie! He told me i should play the original after but i'm not too into turn based games...i might make an exception for this though! ok thats all byeeee

please give turned based games a chance, there's a wide variety and once you get into the groove its way better than a lot of ~action rpg~ systems out there

sorry for the bump i wanted to say me and my brother have been playing the final fantasy 7 remake and its so fun lol. its like playing a movie! He told me i should play the original after but i'm not too into turn based games...i might make an exception for this though! ok thats all byeeee

I really don't think you need to worry about bumping so much on this forum unless you're filching out something from years ago, and that still didn't get Aidan in trouble. This thread's pretty recent and meant to be posted in.

As for me, I've been playing Fire Emblem: Three Hopes' demo, trying to get accustomed to the first musuo I've ever played. It's...alright. I'm not the biggest fan yet but I enjoyed the original story so I'm willing to stick with it.

sorry for the bump i wanted to say me and my brother have been playing the final fantasy 7 remake and its so fun lol. its like playing a movie! He told me i should play the original after but i'm not too into turn based games...i might make an exception for this though! ok thats all byeeee

I really don't think you need to worry about bumping so much on this forum unless you're filching out something from years ago, and that still didn't get Aidan in trouble. This thread's pretty recent and meant to be posted in.

As for me, I've been playing Fire Emblem: Three Hopes' demo, trying to get accustomed to the first musuo I've ever played. It's...alright. I'm not the biggest fan yet but I enjoyed the original story so I'm willing to stick with it.

make two teams of two people and tag after every combo (L+A i think)
fire emblem warriors is one of the better musous actually