#1
Mario
I can't say I participated in much discussion about Let's Go because I honestly don't care about the series much, if at all, but I definitely remember back when Let's Go details were coming out and people were mad at how it only included the original 151 or so and thinking they were ridiculous. It's just a side game, not indicative of the main games they're working on and coming out soon anyway, right?

Right?

I don't like being a corporation defender. They were clearly testing the waters with Let's Go with this and from what I've heard the new direction they want to go in is leaving Pokemon out in general.

I honestly don't think this is a bad move- it's very reasonable- but the way they're announcing this and have lead people on is totally unacceptable. They had the big press conference (where they announced Pokemon home!!!! a platform specifically for transferring and storing pokemon between games ???), the direct exclusively about this game, and then MORE info about the game in this E3 direct and they couldn't find time to mention this???? They deserve all the flack they're getting for this. People still aren't even sure what exactly they mean because they're so unclear about it. I hope they put up a list of what Pokemon aren't going to be in the games at the very least.
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#2
Spritanium
Definitely a reasonable move handled with absolutely no grace
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#3
Syaxamaphone
When I first heard the news I was like "man this sucks" but then I realized I didn't really care that much. It's probably fine.
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#4
Fun With Despair
(Jun 12, 2019 at 8:31 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Definitely a reasonable move handled with absolutely no grace
This. I feel like there would be a lot less backlash had this been part of the initial announcement or announced during a direct or something rather than the circumstances in which it was.

That being said, as the world's one single Sigilyph fan, it makes me sad that he will likely not be returning to the series.
#5
Jetamo
all i want to know is if aegislash is in the literal pokemon game called sword and or shield
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#6
sealelement
maybe pokemon should move towards a game-as-a-service or MMO model (obviously with no microtransaction bullshit). having to put all this time into putting everything together again every generation is clearly taking its development toll. while i'd love to continue to see mainline pokemon games that let the artists and designers create interesting locations and aesthetics and cultures and characters (and sometimes, rarely, good stories), i think i also care more about being able to access the massive number of pokemons. i dunno just thinking out loud here though
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#7
Draku
They don't though, they aren't adding any new animations, every Pokemon in Sun and Moon already HAD walking animations made and the models for Sword and Shield are the same as in the 3DS games, even the textures are the exact same but at slightly different levels of saturation. They futureproofed everything that went into X/Y and beyond but STILL can't put every Pokemon in for... no reason whatsoever.
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#8
sealelement
its relieving as fuck to finally see everyone else who likes pokemon realize how clueless game freak has been for years lmao
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#9
StrikeForcer
gamefreak suks.
#10
Spritanium
Update: I have completely 180'd on this after learning that GF isn't even doing new animations. The battles look exactly as shitty as they have for years. All things considered, this means the following things are true:

1. This is the first main-series Pokemon game on a home console
2. It will cost $20 more than previous titles
3. The scope of the game is decreased
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#11
Mario
(Jul 10, 2019 at 5:25 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Update: I have completely 180'd on this after learning that GF isn't even doing new animations. The battles look exactly as shitty as they have for years. All things considered, this means the following things are true:

1. This is the first main-series Pokemon game on a home console
2. It will cost $20 more than previous titles
3. The scope of the game is decreased

They talked a bit about this at some point and said they don't want to take big leaps with each gen because they're worried if they change too much it won't be Pokemon anymore. Hopefully this means they can roll back bad decisions with grace.
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#12
Spritanium
(Jul 11, 2019 at 12:17 AM)Mario Wrote:
(Jul 10, 2019 at 5:25 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Update: I have completely 180'd on this after learning that GF isn't even doing new animations. The battles look exactly as shitty as they have for years. All things considered, this means the following things are true:

1. This is the first main-series Pokemon game on a home console
2. It will cost $20 more than previous titles
3. The scope of the game is decreased

They talked a bit about this at some point and said they don't want to take big leaps with each gen because they're worried if they change too much it won't be Pokemon anymore. Hopefully this means they can roll back bad decisions with grace.

Tbh Pokemon games already barely feel like Pokemon anymore. I just don't care all that much about mega evolutions, Z-moves or whatever they're called, or any of the other one-off features they feel the need to include nowadays. I miss pretending to be a new trainer without infinite help available, and I miss my rival being a dickhead instead of some impossibly nice robot child. I guess this is just what growing up feels like I'd fug it
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#13
Mario
(Jul 11, 2019 at 6:50 PM)Spritanium Wrote:
(Jul 11, 2019 at 12:17 AM)Mario Wrote:
(Jul 10, 2019 at 5:25 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Update: I have completely 180'd on this after learning that GF isn't even doing new animations. The battles look exactly as shitty as they have for years. All things considered, this means the following things are true:

1. This is the first main-series Pokemon game on a home console
2. It will cost $20 more than previous titles
3. The scope of the game is decreased

They talked a bit about this at some point and said they don't want to take big leaps with each gen because they're worried if they change too much it won't be Pokemon anymore. Hopefully this means they can roll back bad decisions with grace.

Tbh Pokemon games already barely feel like Pokemon anymore. I just don't care all that much about mega evolutions, Z-moves or whatever they're called, or any of the other one-off features they feel the need to include nowadays. I miss pretending to be a new trainer without infinite help available, and I miss my rival being a dickhead instead of some impossibly nice robot child. I guess this is just what growing up feels like I'd fug it

oh don' tworry about that they're getting rid of mega evolutions and z-moves this gen
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#14
Spritanium
Oh yeah, I can really excuse the time crunch knowing they had to make room for such complicated features as "scale a 3D model 50 times"
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#15
Aidan
(Jul 11, 2019 at 6:50 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Tbh Pokemon games already barely feel like Pokemon anymore. I just don't care all that much about mega evolutions, Z-moves or whatever they're called, or any of the other one-off features they feel the need to include nowadays. I miss pretending to be a new trainer without infinite help available, and I miss my rival being a dickhead instead of some impossibly nice robot child. I guess this is just what growing up feels like I'd fug it

i know this is a soul/soulless meme but pokemon games are broadly improving over time by being less about endless repetitive grinding and more about strategy
special attack/defense, abilities, hold items, mega evolutions, z moves, even shit like giving you assloads of exp shares are all improvements on really shitty parts of the previous games, and that's without getting into the millions of quality of life improvements

that said, removing pokemon represents a complete failure to understand why people play these games and they deserve all the shit they're getting for it
#16
Spritanium
I mostly just wish I could make these games harder; I miss how hard Pokemon Gold was when I was an idiot 7 year old
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#17
Draku
(Jul 14, 2019 at 12:05 AM)Spritanium Wrote: I mostly just wish I could make these games harder; I miss how hard Pokemon Gold was when I was an idiot 7 year old
The older games weren't hard either you were just young and dumb.

EXP share breaks the new games pretty hard but you can turn that off.
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#18
Mario
Anyone see the current thing, I think it was from them, that the old models simply don't work and they had to remake them all? Did they really make "futureproof" models that were built to be super low-level to the 3ds hardware or something? that sounds so wild to me
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#19
Draku
(Jul 14, 2019 at 7:21 PM)Mario Wrote: Anyone see the current thing, I think it was from them, that the old models simply don't work and they had to remake them all? Did they really make "futureproof" models that were built to be super low-level to the 3ds hardware or something? that sounds so wild to me
That's an outright lie made by someone else. All of the models are the exact same, the textures are too. People have proven it. The article doesn't say that either when directly translated, it's a misinterpretation.

What really happened, according to what can be pieced together from interviews that are properly translated, is that Game Freak is so incompetent at importing that they can do it, but it commonly completely fucks up and they have to sort it out slowly and sometimes remake portions of models. You know, models which were prepared as futureproofed by another company outright (Creatures, Inc) and are engine-independent.
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#20
Mario
(Jul 14, 2019 at 8:28 PM)Draku Wrote:
(Jul 14, 2019 at 7:21 PM)Mario Wrote: Anyone see the current thing, I think it was from them, that the old models simply don't work and they had to remake them all? Did they really make "futureproof" models that were built to be super low-level to the 3ds hardware or something? that sounds so wild to me
That's an outright lie made by someone else. All of the models are the exact same, the textures are too. People have proven it. The article doesn't say that either when directly translated, it's a misinterpretation.

What really happened, according to what can be pieced together from interviews that are properly translated, is that Game Freak is so incompetent at importing that they can do it, but it commonly completely fucks up and they have to sort it out slowly and sometimes remake portions of models. You know, models which were prepared as futureproofed by another company outright (Creatures, Inc) and are engine-independent.

thanks for the info
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