Regarding recent events (not that one)

#21
Yrrzy
Again, Drei was called out for his conduct, not the accusation.

Like, don't make public vague accusations and stir up community paranoia, that should be obvious right?
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#22
Mario
like it's actually fucking INCREDIBLE stir made this public post about it in the other thread because he didn't think the staff were trustworthy enough to handle the report and you use the situation to prove him right
#23
Yrrzy
I'm also gonna burn both sides and say I'm not gonna pretend I'd have any qualms banning people who openly jerk it to anime children ftr, what I'm not happy with is people accusing others of grooming based on no/false evidence.
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#24
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: Again, Drei was called out for his conduct, not the accusation.

Like, don't make public vague accusations and stir up community paranoia, that should be obvious right?

yes, only people with pure and perfect conduct should make reports, otherwise they'll be tossed out and we'll make a public callout for you. :|

You know the goal wasn't to stir up community propaganda but to bring up something _related to the topic at hand_. This wasn't some special exclusive callout thread about it
#25
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:00 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: what I'm not happy with is people accusing others of grooming based on no/false evidence.

is it about the conduct or the accusation?
#26
Yrrzy
The report was tossed out, because it was baseless, not because of his conduct, these are two seperate issues than can coexist.
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#27
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:02 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: The report was tossed out, because it was baseless, not because of his conduct, these are two seperate issues than can coexist.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with the action on the report, but correct me if I missed a post.
#28
Yrrzy
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:03 PM)Mario Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:02 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: The report was tossed out, because it was baseless, not because of his conduct, these are two seperate issues than can coexist.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with the action on the report, but correct me if I missed a post.

I potentially misunderstood this post

(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM)Mario Wrote: yes, only people with pure and perfect conduct should make reports, otherwise they'll be tossed out and we'll make a public callout for you. :|
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#29
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:04 PM)Yrrzy Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:03 PM)Mario Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:02 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: The report was tossed out, because it was baseless, not because of his conduct, these are two seperate issues than can coexist.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with the action on the report, but correct me if I missed a post.

I potentially misunderstood this post

(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM)Mario Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 3:56 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: Again, Drei was called out for his conduct, not the accusation.

yes, only people with pure and perfect conduct should make reports, otherwise they'll be tossed out and we'll make a public callout for you. :|

the public callout is the issue at hand (ironically this thread is _about those being bad_ so like. ????).

like zelma mentioning sp posting the invite link, it being thrown out is just what happened.

I think saying it was a completely baseless report is disingenuous though, as even those kind of suspicions can help prevent a situation.
#30
Spritanium
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:00 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: I'm also gonna burn both sides and say I'm not gonna pretend I'd have any qualms banning people who openly jerk it to anime children ftr, what I'm not happy with is people accusing others of grooming based on no/false evidence.
Normalizing shota porn in an environment that children are present in is basically the definition of grooming
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#31
Yrrzy
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:08 PM)Spritanium Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:00 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: I'm also gonna burn both sides and say I'm not gonna pretend I'd have any qualms banning people who openly jerk it to anime children ftr, what I'm not happy with is people accusing others of grooming based on no/false evidence.
Normalizing shota porn in an environment that children are present in is basically the definition of grooming

please direct me to where we've allowed that on Minus World
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#32
Spritanium
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:09 PM)Yrrzy Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:08 PM)Spritanium Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:00 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: I'm also gonna burn both sides and say I'm not gonna pretend I'd have any qualms banning people who openly jerk it to anime children ftr, what I'm not happy with is people accusing others of grooming based on no/false evidence.
Normalizing shota porn in an environment that children are present in is basically the definition of grooming

please direct me to where we've allowed that on Minus World
Idk because apparently all meaningful discussion takes place on the magical discord that everyone hates
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#33
Yrrzy
As far as I'm aware shota has never been posted or allowed on the Discord
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#34
Mario
I mean I guess there was that one with alvin and the chipmunks getting their dicks sucked by the girl ones that zelma posted
#35
Spritanium
MW is so obviously one of those communities that will eventually appear in a discovery documentary with a bunch of interviewees saying "I didn't know anything weird was going on I just went there to talk about anime"
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#36
Mario
I think Spritey has a point that he doesn't have the context for so I'll try and make that point:

It's not responsible for someone to openly be into paedophilia related* pornography to be part of communities with underage members. It's additionally important that they take responsibility and recuse themselves from situations deciding age limits on the site- and not encourage a lower limit for younger members.

*I KNOW we've had debates on what to classify this stuff as before so I'm trying to be as neutral as possible about this
#37
Yrrzy
Minus World is not intended to be a zone where Pedophiles are allowed or welcomed.
If people posted Pedophilic content, they would be banned.
If people admitted to Pedophilic acts, they would be banned.
If people report suspicions of Pedophilic behaviour, then we will look into it immediately, and it will always be in the back of our minds (as it is now!)

The report in question regarded an adult, a fact I am unsure if Drei knew. Drei admitted in the report that it may well be nothing. The supposed victim was talked to. This all factored into our decision that the accusation did not require action.

The suspicion is still there and will likely hang over the accused's posts and actions forever, and I need to be clear that they haven't been simply ignored.

None of this factored into Drei's ban, which was purely based on his behaviour on the boards. I don't know if there should've been a public call out or not, but I do believe this thread's purpose in reassuring people that the report wasn't just being ignored was necessary.

Additionally, if we need to move the line, and ban people who've admitted to being interested in loli/shota content in private, to make people comfortable, then I personally have no problem doing that.
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#38
Nabber
an important part of moderation is transparency so i'm confused why you're upset that the staff is publicly explaining their reasoning for their decisions
#39
Zelma
Regarding Stir; I do believe his ban was justified if only because he stupidly made the "I have reason to believe there's a pedophile here in THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW" in the worst possible thread with the worst possible timing. You might be asking "Well, then when was the correct time?" and to that I'd say the correct time was immediately. DM Staff immediately, privately and ensure that steps are being taken. It's up to him or staff at that point but by announcing it publicly like that you in turn make it the entire communities business and so in my eyes Draku was completely justified in addressing Drei's accusations...publicly. Now there's the issue of "Well what if staff can't be relied upon to handle these correctly" to which I'd say I'd probably do what Stir did.

But based on what we're told these were baseless accusations at best. If Stir was here I'd love for him to provide his side more on that incident particularly[it never hurts to have two POVs] but he is....banned.

I can't speak to anything regarding the prior incident where he brought it up and felt nothing was done because I only really have staff[well...really only staff's tbh] and his words to go off of.

That brings us to the other side of things. As Yrr stated, I'm not really down with the loli/shota shit either but I'm also indulged a lot of weeb shit/culture. I know it's there, it's spliced in media i consume and I phase/ignore those things. That said, if someone actively only enjoys those aspects of anime/manga then I can't say that's not a little weird. I don't personally know anyone here to be like that but I also don't know what anyone jerks off to here and I would prefer it continued to be that way but is that me just being willfully ignorant?

At the same time if I share disgust in an artist for drawing literal child actors in a sexual explict way but someone else doesn't view it as the same way I do does that make them a danger to this community?
If someone thinks pedophiles can be rehabilitated and saved does that make them a danger to this community?

Bigger than Stir, bigger than potential[keyword here is potential, don't freak out dudes, mishandling by site staff]; THIS is probably the biggest issue we've ever had to discuss here and frankly. I don't think MW is ready for that discussion. Not if we continue as we are. What does that say about us as a community? I'm not sure but I at least want to give a shout out to Yrr and Kesha for keeping things civilized for the most part. Very easy to keep track and keep a cool head when you don't have Vert or Mr. Disappearing posts around.

That's all I got for now.

EDIT: For the record; I've never seen any instance of grooming take place from anyone I know here that includes the person in question so really this is just a general post.
#40
Zelma
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:12 PM)Mario Wrote: I mean I guess there was that one with alvin and the chipmunks getting their dicks sucked by the girl ones that zelma posted
i voted theodore
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