Regarding recent events (not that one)

#41
Mario
The report being unactionable is fine. It's the culture of reporting that is the problem here. Stir absolutely believed it to be true, and if any member believed that situation to be true, they should report it, right? Are we all in agreement there? Or are we saying someone needs all the information to make a report- kinda dangerous if you ask me.

Like here's my understanding of the events:

- There's a thread about an age restriction of the forum, with one of the arguments being "the staff would handle anything bad if it came up"
- Stir makes a post about a situation he believes to be true that he doesn't think the staff would handle appropriately
- The staff tell him to report it, and he does, and the report is handled.

All of this is fine, though :

- this thread is made to basically say stir is an asshole for not trusting the staff and mentioning it at all (in a related thread)

^ this is the bad part that the staff proved they wouldn't handle a report appropriately about

- stir defends himself and gets banned because of it

^ don't really care about this, this is normal on mw
#42
Spritanium
Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn
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#43
Vertette
(Jan 22, 2021 at 3:26 PM)Mario Wrote: You absolutely don't deserve to know. If it's something you're guilty of, knowing how to hide it better since you got caught is not good for anyone!

Because not even explaining the reasoning behind accusing someone always works out
#44
Yrrzy
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn

ftr i dont disagree w this

part of why id rather we just upped it to 18+ and got on with it
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#45
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:36 PM)Vertette Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 3:26 PM)Mario Wrote: You absolutely don't deserve to know. If it's something you're guilty of, knowing how to hide it better since you got caught is not good for anyone!

Because not even explaining the reasoning behind accusing someone always works out

Telling abusive people how they got caught is extremely dangerous.

Diantha may be innocent, it's not really important here, the important thing is the idea that she "deserves to know" is false and quite dangerous if you ask me.
#46
T-man
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn
i don't know why anyone would want to hang around with a bunch of snot-nosed zoomers anyway, i'm not sure what people under the age of 18 could possibly offer minus world. among us memes?
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#47
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(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:39 PM)T-mamf Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn
i don't know why anyone would want to hang around with a bunch of snot-nosed zoomers anyway, i'm not sure what people under the age of 18 could possibly offer minus world. among us memes?
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#48
Vertette
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:37 PM)Mario Wrote: Diantha may be innocent, it's not really important here, the important thing is the idea that she "deserves to know" is false and quite dangerous if you ask me.

Hard to defend yourself against something nobody will properly explain to you

Granted, I acknowledge that the balance between "we don't want people to wisen up for next time in case it's true" and "we don't want to go full Der Process" is hard
#49
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:42 PM)Vertette Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:37 PM)Mario Wrote: Diantha may be innocent, it's not really important here, the important thing is the idea that she "deserves to know" is false and quite dangerous if you ask me.

Hard to defend yourself against something nobody will properly explain to you

Granted, I acknowledge that the balance between "we don't want people to wisen up for next time in case it's true" and "we don't want to go full Der Process" is hard

Anything Diantha would need to defend her character about is out in the open, so idk what your point is
#50
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(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:42 PM)Vertette Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:37 PM)Mario Wrote: Diantha may be innocent, it's not really important here, the important thing is the idea that she "deserves to know" is false and quite dangerous if you ask me.

Hard to defend yourself against something nobody will properly explain to you

Granted, that balance between "we don't want people to wisen up for next time if it's true" and "we don't want to go full Der Process" is hard

This is an elementary school-tier response.
If you know someones abusing their wife you know better than to immediately go to the abuser and say "Hey man, I know you're abusing your wife". Mainly because you are potentially endangering her, her kids and anyone else involved in the situation.

It is the same for a potential groomer[not talking about Dia]. They could erase all traces of themselves the second you notify them and then at that point who did you really help? What did you prevent?
#51
Vertette
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:44 PM)Zelma Wrote: This is an elementary school-tier response.
If you know someones abusing their wife you know better than to immediately go to the abuser and say "Hey man, I know you're abusing your wife". Mainly because you are potentially endangering her, her kids and anyone else involved in the situation.

Too late for that now
#52
Spritanium
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:39 PM)T-mamf Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn
i don't know why anyone would want to hang around with a bunch of snot-nosed zoomers anyway, i'm not sure what people under the age of 18 could possibly offer minus world. among us memes?
This, there is no reason to desire spending time around children that couldn't be categorized as a behavioral or sexual disorder
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#53
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(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:45 PM)Vertette Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:44 PM)Zelma Wrote: This is an elementary school-tier response.
If you know someones abusing their wife you know better than to immediately go to the abuser and say "Hey man, I know you're abusing your wife". Mainly because you are potentially endangering her, her kids and anyone else involved in the situation.

Too late for that now

never too late for you to get some bitches bro
#54
Mario
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:46 PM)Spritanium Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:39 PM)T-mamf Wrote:
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:30 PM)Spritanium Wrote: Idk what else to say about this right now, there's something deeply wrong with a website that has debates about welcoming in children while at other times having debates on the efficacy of underage cartoon porn
i don't know why anyone would want to hang around with a bunch of snot-nosed zoomers anyway, i'm not sure what people under the age of 18 could possibly offer minus world. among us memes?
This, there is no reason to desire spending time around children that couldn't be categorized as a behavioral or sexual disorder

please take _this_ discussion to another thread, as I feel like it detracts from the issue at hand

ftr i think diagnosing other people based on flimsy criteria is pretty bad tho
#55
Yrrzy
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:46 PM)Spritanium Wrote: This, there is no reason to desire spending time around children that couldn't be categorized as a behavioral or sexual disorder

I dont think this particularly helps given that Teachers, Doctors, Therapists etc exist

Online tho yea maybe
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#56
T-man
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM)Yrrzy Wrote: I dont think this particularly helps given that Teachers, Doctors, Therapists etc exist

Online tho yea maybe
I'm pretty sure Spritey wasn't talking about teachers, doctors, and therapists. Besides, I would imagine a majority of people in those fields have boundaries. I can't imagine a child therapist joining their patient's discord group, or inviting them into their own.

Also, you're right Mario, this is my last post on the subject in this thread.
#57
Yrrzy
(Jan 22, 2021 at 4:59 PM)T-mamf Wrote: I would imagine a majority of people in those fields have boundaries. I can't imagine a child therapist joining their patient's discord group, or inviting them into their own.

thats a better way of putting it yeah
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#58
Aidan
i'd like to thank drei for drumming up activity on minus world. he even got someone who left forever to post. huge asset to the community.
next week i'll say that someone who's name sounds like bandwidth repair MIGHT have several human bodies buried in his backyard. hopefully this one brings kazaam back
#59
Elyk
Sorry if this post is a bit jumbled I wrote it stream of conscious between phone calls.

The purpose of this thread was not to publicly callout or shame Drei for his accusation. Unfortunately the way it is worded seems to be making several people think that. Drei's report was mentioned as the example of how not to handle things.

This thread was supposed to just be a follow up to the public report and request that in the future these things are brought up and discussed privately with staff. Drei then came into the thread and attempted to argue that he had not handled the situation incorrectly which eventually escalated to him laying all the tracks to out who he was accusing. That is what he was banned for, not the initial post.

If you have a report or a concern please report it to us clearly. Mentioning being uncomfortable offhand on another server where a staff member happens to be present does not count as a clear report.

By reporting stuff to us clearly and privately
- We can assess the report without raising the public anxiety level
- We can act before the accused has a chance to cover their tracks if they're guilty
- We can avoid smearing anybody's name if they're innocent
#60
Aidan
great post kyle. that pretty much sums it up. lock the thread now. there's nothing left to be said, and if spritey wants to keep reminding us that under 16s watch tiktok and freebase fentanyl he can manually edit the database.

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