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supernatural obligation; hundreds of years ago, an ancestor of his was cursed by a swamp witch to be bound to the minusworld for every generation onward

Admins and Mods: don't lock this thread please; gimme 20 minutes... I'm almost done with a very long response.

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Don't lock this thread please; gimme 20 minutes... I'm almost done with a very long response.

Stop Replacing My Food with Toucan-related Food

my friend says her roommate keeps having big bangs on the living room floor and it keeps her up at night

We Haven't Learned Anythign

gj scientists

After reading these Posts, I'm a little shocked and saddened at our sudden turn towards negativity. I know we are all better than this, and I would invite you all to reflect upon ways back towards positivity with me here. We are not too far gone, and I know we all have the FOCUS needed to repair any strains in our friendships.

Hopefully,
Renzo Kukenson

Spritey has nothing to do with moderation, fyi.

yeah i wasn't sure about this one. he sure likes to think that he has, though, and he definitely has enough connections to the mod decisions to backseat moderate if left unchecked.

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man I really hope our universe isn't expanding until it reaches an unstable state and then contracts into a single hyper-dense point where fundamental laws no longer apply, then expands again and recreates itself anew 'cuz it would suck to see this thread again

Okay I said I was done here, buuut...

yikes why is this person on the admin team lmao

_Tech_ Admin. All I did was build the site, design the themes + logo, and create all the metagame features from scratch. Thanks for calling me garbage based on some arbitrary prejudiced bullshit tho, you're a real charmer.

Spritey has nothing to do with moderation, fyi.

yeah i wasn't sure about this one. he sure likes to think that he has, though, and he definitely has enough connections to the mod decisions to backseat moderate if left unchecked.

What does that even mean? There's a thread in the staff forum as we speak discussing what to "do" about your behavior, and I've been defending you the entire time. On Old MW when you were banned for the Cave Beast thing, I came forward and admitted it was me. I've been trying to be a voice for fairness and reason in MFGG moderation for the past decade. I would never, EVER use my position to get somebody unjustly banned, no matter how I feel about them personally.

This thing you do? Where you make assumptions about people and parade around like you know everything, praying for your daily dose of pathetic internet confrontation? It's fucking annoying. You don't get points for giving everyone a hard time, at least not outside of your own mind. My advice is to stop being a Big Tough Bad Guy Wrestler and start actually trying to contribute positive content.

This post was last modified: Oct 2, 2016 at 10:47 PM by DrTapeworm.

bold words from someone who whrhrwhwwghhwhwgh

I'm going to respond to every post by you, @"OracularRELOADED", in this thread so far seriously (because I think you are being serious.) Some of my previous posts and statements in this thread were facetious/rhetorical.

>Who believes in the Big Bang creation myth

I don't believe or disbelieve it. I can't even pretend I understand enough about theoretical physics to say "it seems like the most plausible theory out there." I don't fault people for believing it's true and I don't see why I should. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>Never in my entire life have I heard such BOLOGNY as the "Big Bang" creation myth. I can't even BEGIN to think how unimaginative you have to be to come up with this totally useless idea.

Not an argument. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>For those that don't know about it, basically some white dude came and said "First, there was nothing, then BANG there was thing." And that's it. THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY.

This is misinformation. The history of how the Big Bang theory came to be is a lot more nuanced than that (with ideas dating back to the 11th century.) I don't see how the race of a person's theory has anything to do with whether or not a theory is plausible but attributing the formulation of the theory to "some white dude" discounts Islamic elements such as "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander." from Quran Surah 51 verse 47 and Hinduist ideas such as the possibility that the Brahmam consists of series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches. Similarly, despite my disagreements with Carl Sagan, I think he worded relation between the Big Bang theory and Hindu beliefs a lot more eloquently than I could on page 734 of God Talks With Arjuna: "The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still." Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>There wasn't even any sex in it like in most of the other higher-tier creation myths,

Appeal to popularity. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>and yet SOMEHOW Flouride drinkers subscribe to this idea. It's just simply mind-bottling.

Good pun. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>Even low-tier thought systems like Christianity

What makes Christianity a low-tier thought system? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>Christianity came up with a more useful creation myth than the Atheist Big Bung theory.

Depening on what you mean by useful, I'd be interested if we could compare and contrast in what ways the Christian creation belief and the Big Bang theory were useful. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>The only thing the Big Bang creation myth has every done for us was give us the title for one of the worst TV shows of the 21st Century.

It's clearly had a bigger impact on society than a terrible sitcom. Whether the impact has been positive or negative is well worthing into though. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>What happened to the GOOD OLD DAYS when white people came up with some sick-ass ideas like the Kalevala poem or the Greek pantheon or the Celtic cycles.

Red herring. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>Nowadays we have these BUNG ASS SCIENTISTS just putting in NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER and making a story about some unexplained Hollywood-esque EXPLOSION and expecting everyone to be ok with that. Well, not me.

What led you to the conclusion that theoretical physics is an effortless practice? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>christians: your theories about the world are wrong, we will suppress all your culture's knowledge and prioritise our own (with the Bible).

>scientists: your theories about the world are wrong, we will suppress all your culture's knowledge and prioritise our own (with the academic-industry complex).

But that can be said about any ideology. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>I like the part where you implied that something has to sound cool to be factual

>i'm not really in the industry of knowing what's cool and what's not but facts are literally useless lol

Are you saying facts are useless to you personally or are you invalidating people who personally find facts to be useful? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>>>facts are literally useless lol

>>>>ain't that a fact... oof

>>>i don't have access to the structures of white male hetero-capitalist power necessary to transform statements into facts.

>>Literally useless apart from keeping people grounded to reality lol

>which reality hahaha lmao

>that's the other problem with the big bang; the story is so unbelievably stupid-

I'm not offended but I legitimately don't understand how a deregatory term for neuro-atypicals could apply to a scientific theory. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>that's the other problem with the big bang; the story is so unbelievably stupid-/one-dimensional that it makes people put their faith in a monolithic reality because they lose the ability to conceptualise/create other, more useful realities.

I personally don't take anything that doesn't hold up to scrutiny seriously and I don't put faith in scientific theories or let them limit my ability to explore objections to them. Are you saying that other people operate this way? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>so like when someone says science grounds us to reality i'm like hmmm... you mean the reality where everyone gets fucked over by money relations and no-one understands each other because of racism/sexism??

Although I don't agree with the idea that "science grounds us to reality" since I see it as a method of forming hypothesis and not something I put faith in, I do not see any evidence that the person you're responding to thinks science grounds us to reality for the purpose of harming monitary relations or fueling misunderstanding, racism, or sexism. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>hmmm yeah i'm not really sure i'm sold on this whole reality thing but thanks for the offer

I'm not sold on the idea of being happy that reality is the way it is but I'm sold on the idea that reality is real. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>the main argument behind science is: "our truth is real so our reality is true" looool what a cowardly and irresponsible copout

I do not understand where people get the idea that this is what science is. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>that's the other problem with the big bang; the story is so unbelievably stupid/one-dimensional that it makes people put their faith in a monolithic reality because they lose the ability to conceptualise/create other, more useful realities. so like when someone says science grounds us to reality i'm like hmmm... you mean the reality where everyone gets fucked over by money relations and no-one understands each other because of racism/sexism?? hmmm yeah i'm not really sure i'm sold on this whole reality thing but thanks for the offer

>>>the main argument behind science is: "our truth is real so our reality is true" looool what a cowardly and irresponsible copout

>>Where are you getting this idea that there's more than one reality?

>the animals, plants, gods and other objects that i've been able to communicate with have shown me that there are many realities that co-exist. a lot of these realities are impossible for humans to understand fully or at all. but even within the category of humans, there are so many realities that people adhere to. one for every person at least, and probably more. if the individual's conception of the world is altered by every new stimulation, probably a different reality is born for each person every moment of their lives. of course, with such a large amount of realities (probably infinite), we can more or less do away with the concept of reality because it will only ever be exactly that: a concept. reality tries to escape from the limits of conceptualisation but conceptuality is the basis of all knowledges.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs. I think this is very fascinating. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>part of the reason why science is so terrible at connecting people or understanding mental health is because it fails to acknowledge that no-one has the same access point to the singular reality it claims is the domain of all humanity. it places the knowledge of the individual's brain as the centre of the universe.

Is your notion that science has a job to do anything based on an idea that science is an entity rather than a vehicle? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>for scientists, there is no difference between the two sentences:

>Where are you getting this idea that there's more than one reality?

>Where are you getting this idea that there's more than my reality?

I highly doubt every scientist on Earth believes only one reality exists or that their reality is the only reality that exists. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Anyways, everyone knows the universe was hatched from a gigantic chicken egg.

>yeah ikr lol. there's loads of sick creation myths that involve eggs from birds or other sources, one of my favourites is the Chinese myth of Pangu

>{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew--7RM378k}

>look at this shit, brings a fuckin tear to me eye. it's so much more productive and fruitful than the big bung theory lmao. imagine what kind of worlds we could build if we based our understanding of our existence around values and concepts that actually made sense lol.

Good video. Thanks for sharing this. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>I took an intro to philosophy class too. Doesn't change the fact that we're all part of the same reality. Apples fall from trees, gravity exists. Maybe there's infinite realities where that isn't true, but I've no reason to believe I can communicate with these realities and have it be anything more than my imagination. It's kind of narcissistic to think that you're capable of such things because you Beat The System and drink non fluoridated water

>white people are so hopeless that they actually think that brown spirituality is narcissism or taking LSD lmfao

What is "brown spirituality" and when did the person you're replying to define it as narcissistic or LSD-fueled? I thought his post was directed at you as a person. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Like if you just assume everything you can think of actually exists, I'm sure it's easy to come up with infinite theories, but how are they supposed to be tested by others? If nobody else can see what you're talking about, these observations you claim to have had are exactly as "literally useless" as you claim facts to be

>i don't think i ever said anything about things that i think of 'actually exist' in the sense that you are referring to. of course you aren't able to realise the things that are in my world, because you believe in white scientific reality.

What is "white scientific reality" and when did the person you're responding to say he believed in it? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i don't need other people to experience what i'm talking about (there are those that can and do, however) in order for them to still be more useful/productive/less damaging to the sacred world we live in.

It is true that people don't need to understand something in order to damage it. I agree with that notion and personally I think misunderstanding is what leads people to engage in distructive behaviors. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>A world where people can invent their own realities is a world with no law, no order, and no society lmao

>sounds ace, sign me up.

I don't think that's the person you're responding to meant that in the way you interpreted it but I actually also would like to sign up for your intepretation of what the person said. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>great to see that our administrators are abusing the forum's features to literally be racist

Would the forum function better if MW included a definition of racism written by you? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>great to see that our administrators are abusing the forum's features to literally be racist

>>do you want us to warn/ban him

>i'm against banning people but i think measures should be taken against abusing autocorrect in this kind of way

I actually wish the only forum rules were "no posting anything illegal or against server TOS" so I'm against banning members too but probably for the wrong reasons. As for autocorrect abuse I've brought up the idea before of having a debate forum where spells are disabled. I don't understand why you posted your ideas on a shitposting forum dedicated to Super Mario Bros with post-modifying spell functionality if you were expecting a serious debate. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Like your whole viewpoint is based on things becoming real because you think about them. This is so cyclical and self-fulfilling that it's impossible to argue against {wat}

>i think there's a misunderstanding here.

I think you're both misunderstanding each other. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i'm not saying that my mind is the source of reality in the sense that i think something up and therefore it exists tangibly, or i can make something external to me disappear from my observation.

I'm glad you cleared that up now but it doesn't suprise me if anyone came to the conclusion that those are what your beliefs are when they read your posts. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i am saying that there are worlds that human science does not have the tools with which to engage with,

I think that's highly probable. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>and i think there's a problem with just assuming that those worlds that science can't engage with or doesn't understand simply don't exist.

There are people who believe that things that we don't have the tools to observe do not exist? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>it's lazy and, yes, it is oppressive.

It does seem like it would be lazy to assume everything we don't have tools to observe is nonexistant. I'm trying to think of how, if there are people who hold this belief, they could use it to oppress people, but I'm drawing a blank. Can I ask you to explain how that's opressive or will you shift the burden of proof and say that it's not your job to educate me? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i also think there's a problem with assuming that the world we exist in is the scientific world

What's "the scientific world"? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i also think there's a problem with assuming that the world we exist in is the scientific world and the rest are just imaginary worlds.

I don't want to keep responding to the same statements with the same questions in the same posts but I'm really curious as to who believes that a world we don't have the tools to observe cannot possibly exist. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>there's nothing scientific about the world; that's just the framework some of use to engage with it.

Wait if you actually know that science is a framework to engage with the world rather than a set of rules then how could a "scientific world" possibly exist? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>using JUST the scientific framework is gravely inhibiting.

I'm interested in comparing and contrasting in what ways the scientific method has improved society and what was it has inhibited society. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>But in all honesty if you think that in the sentence "(insert race here) people are so X" the contents of X change the bigotry factor at all, you're kinda deluded

>>You're the one who called an entire race hopeless lmfao

>>You call white people one thing, I change it to another thing and your sentence is suddenly racist? 2muchsense

>my sentence isn't racist because you changed it to another thing.

The person you're talking to isn't making racist statements when you change their meanings either. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>you are being racist for deliberately trying to silence or suppress a brown voice who is criticising whiteness.

How are you able to determine the degree of deliberateness of another person's actions and whether or not your intepretation of what they are doing aligns with their modus operandi? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>feel free to suggest some measures if you have any ideas

>just monitor it and/or revert it when it happens. i think it's usually clear when people are doing it for comedic purposes, and when someone is doing it passive aggressively or trying to silence another member. there hasn't really been a precedent for this but afaik there isn't really any rules on the usage of autocorrect and perhaps this should be addressed in the Rules.

(I still think there should just be a debate forum where spells are disabled. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.)

>>Also Orion I understand you think certain things are bad (white people are bad according to this thread if I'm not mistaken) but it seems more like you're just shoehorning things you don't like into random subjects.

>>Like if someone hated toucans shouldn't they approach the subject with "toucans are bad because xyz" instead of "let's talk about kitchen sinks. kitchen sinks are shaped like curved BILLS which is a symbol of a toucan's BEAK therefore toucans are bad"?

>>IDK I'm probably incorrect and everyone should probably disregard this post and it's nobody's job to educate me... I'm just confused at this approach.

>i'm going to respond to this seriously (because i think you are being serious)

>i wouldn't go as far as to say that white people are bad.

That's a releif. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>there is, however, overwhelming evidence (even from science!) that white culture

What is white culture? I think those suit & tie racists or w/e Hillary Clinton is talking about believe in paneuropeanism but I think there are various "white" cultures and I don't understand why people want to lump all white people into one category. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>(their habits, beliefs, consumption etc.) is bad for a few things. the environment being one, for example. i do think that without help from other races, white people are more or less hopeless. that is not to say that brown/black people are inherently better, but that there are qualities/ways of living that we have that can be of benefit to the world. our cultures are, after all, much older than white culture, and whilst this by no means makes old knowledge better than new knowledge, we are currently at risk of losing a great deal of the total human knowledge due white supremacy and white culture (which has happened historically on colossal scales and still continues to this day through different means).

I don't know have a way to give a response to some of this because I don't know what you mean by "white culture" when there are many different cultures of white people. White supremecy has increased recently with the rise of the Alt Right, you're correct, but I don't see how lumping all white people into one culture is going to help fight against the unity and supremecy of white people if that's what you're trying to do. You're the last person I'd ever expect to propagate paneuropeanism.

Then again, you do have the white supremecist symbol "88" in your forum signature. http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-o.../c/88.html and for the record, I don't think you're purposefully trying to promote paneuropeanism and I think the number in your signature is a coincidence I just don't understand what your actual intent is. It'd be helpful for me to know so I don't have to let my own imagination run wild. EDIT: She changed it to 87. NVM, yeah, it was just an unfortunate coincidence.

Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>if i say things like 'white people are x,' i'm doing it deliberately to show you what it feels like.

Fallacy of relevance. A wrong cannot right another wrong. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>now imagine someone saying 'white people are x,' and then that person along with thousand others invading your countries; rewriting the geography of your country; changing its name; forcing you to use their language; shipping you off to their own country without ever seeing your family again; forcing you to build their buildings, farm their crops, raise their children; raping you, your sisters and your mothers, your land; burning your books, destroying your idols, destroying your homes; paying them less than you or not at all; and killing you. imagine them doing all this for generations. because white people are x.

Many white cultures have indeed participated in these atrocities and I condemn them for it. Many other cultures have also participated in such atrocities and I condemn them for it as well. Is that okay with you? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>you may be thinking 'but i didn't do that.' that's true, you didn't. but someone did. and white people benefit from all this.

It is terrible that people benefit from the atrocities of the past but basically anyone who has a roof over their head, three square meals a day, and running water is benifiting from the atrocities of the past. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>always. this is part of your legacy and heritage

Not mine considering my grandparents or great grand parents on both sides of my family immigrated to the USA to escape opression. What do you suggestion a person who does have a family tree with evil people in it to do to correct the wrongs of their family name? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>and no, you didn't ask for it. but we aren't at a stage where we can say 'this is all in the past' or 'we should all move on.'

I honestly don't see how this relates to the next point you're about to bring up. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>it isn't in the past and there are places where a lot of these things are happening today (Palestine, Syria, Iraq etc.).

Very glad you mentioned atrocities in less fortunate countries and I'd be very interested to know what I can do to help end suffering elsewhere in the world. Being involved in politics as a career is a no-go for me considering the terrible things I've said in the past on an internet where things are written in ink. I have hydrologists in the family who drill wells near impovershed villages so they don't have to walk 10 miles a day to bring water home but I don't know if I have the ability to go into that field either (my neurological disability would probably make it even more difficult.) According to the aptitude test I took at my college I should be a paralegal, which sort of makes me uncomfortable because it's not going to help suffering people in other countries. I could always research non-corrupt charity organizations and donate money to them. Is that enough for a person like me or is there anything else I can do to make the world a better place? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>and contrary to your thinking that i'm shoehorning a critique of white people into a topic about the Big Bang theory, i think it's very valid to bring it up. they are both tools to discredit and invalidate other worldviews. the weight of a white person censoring my words in the historical and contemporary context of racism, saying that my beliefs are based on narcissism, or because I have taken drugs and thus lack credulity (despite psychedelics having been used as entheogens by my ancestors for generations). i think it's very appropriate and even necessary to bring up race in order to fully understand what just happened and why it shouldn't happen again.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I hadn't thought of that. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Science is supposed to be a method of forming hypotheses not an unquestionable religion. Doesn't really make sense when people say "science says this" or "I fucking love science" when science is more like "well, I did an experiment where every time I dropped an egg off a roof it broke. I hypothesize that naked eggs generally cannot be dropped off roofs of buildings without breaking." I guess that is oppressive but only to eggs in this scenario. {:P}

>the prevalent methodology of any given epoch will always be perceived as a disinterested 'method of forming hypotheses.' ironically, this in turn becomes the 'unquestionable religion.'

I actually agree that this is a problem and I wish people drew attention to it more often. I still don't see how it invalidates the scientific method itself. Just how people utilize it. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>just look at this thread, for example. do you really think that in the middle ages, Christianity, when it was the absolute way of knowing the world, meant anything even remotely similar to what it does today?

Do I "really" think modern-day Christianity is remotely similar to medeivel Christianity? Did I ever say I even thought modern-day Christianity was remotely similar to medeivel Christianity? Not that I can recall. I don't even see how this is relevant to the rest of your paragraph. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>a problem with white thought

I still don't know what you mean by "white thought" but I'm going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you don't advocate paneuropeanism. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>a problem with white thought is that it thinks that dropping eggs off roofs = oppression and killing brown people = oppression are comparable things.

If that was what I actually thought (and it isn't; you're projecting your own meaning onto a thing I said) then it would be a problem with my thought process, not a problem with the general thought process of people who share the similar skin melanin levels with me. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i'll expose some things that were posted in the Slack group chat for some reason and respond to them here. i thought we were all about transparency but here we have it. this is our moderation team, everyone:

I was under the impression that everyone had free access to the MW slack logs. I think later in this post you clarified that you aren't saying the MW Slack is a secret so I don't know what you mean by this. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>spritey [7:01 PM] Just so we're all clear: There's no reason to undo spells on the basis of race-based "silencing". Spells when used properly can "silence" anybody, equally. I say only undo spells such as autocorrect if the added content actually breaks a rule

>as far as i'm aware, racism is against the rules and it has been for a long time.

If you want to go by with what the rules say you'd probably do well to bear in mind the "This is an encompassing rule, so it's not exclusive to minorities" clause in the discrimination rule and raise your concerns and disaproval of it if you disaprove of it. This is more of a response to the other things you were saying (such as "white thought") but in regards to this specific context, I don't see how jokingly using post-modifying spells on a Super Mario Bros shitposting subforum is racist. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>spritey [7:04] Excusing certain users from certain spell effects based on race would be unnecessary and would cause real-life underprivileged users to actually be given extra privileges while on the forum - and MW isn't in the reparations business

>this is such an incredulous post, it's almost like you WANT members to remain underprivileged.

You're applying your interpretation to a thing Spritey said? I notice this a lot from you and perhaps I'm guilty of applying incorrect interpretations to the things people say too. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>t-man [7:08 PM] I think Oracular's notion is ludicrous to be honest, but I'm a smelly white so what I think holds no water

>LOL at least you're honest.

Are you calling T-man a smelly white? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>spritey [7:11 PM] It just seems to me like race isn't important on a site where you're playing a character and your actual appearance is only revealed at your discretion

>as much as i'd like to believe, Minus World doesn't exist in a bubble. remember that time you said that reality is a tangible space we all exist in? is Minus World now exempt from this reality or what? i know white people desperately want to forget about their white guilt but it doesn't quite work like that. if there was a time where race wasn't important, white people have certainly made sure that it does today.

I don't know about Spritey but I don't deseprately want to forget white guilt; I am not guilty in the slightest for being white. I am unhappy about the atrocities in world history and in the modern day world though. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>spritey [7:26 PM] At the end of the day I don't want to be a forum where feeling disadvantaged is reason enough to be given an extra advantage. Because that's not a fun game

>Racism - the Game.

>you're actually getting really worked up about being called out on your racism huh? i'm sorry that it is upsetting your experience of Minus World, but my experience of your racism doesn't just end at 75 XP comic sans sticky notes.

"Not a fun game" was obviously rhetorical but it seems like he isn't upset for being called out on his alleged racism; it seems like he doesn't see how anything he's said or done in this thread is racist. And neither do I. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>yoshin [7:32 PM] yeah orion's shit makes no sense when we have no way of knowing someone's race

>>it isn't about knowing someone's race, and even if it was, you know that spritey is white and you know that i am brown. even other brown and black people internalise whiteness and use it to shut down other poc. no, it is about the inherent vectors of power whiteness carries and we should be actively trying to combat that. like i said, i know white people desperately want to pretend to not be white but there's no shirking away your responsibilities on this one.

I don't know about Yoshin, but I think a lot of people just don't agree that what you are saying taking place in the world is actually taking place in the world. As for me IDK. I seem to agree with some of the things you say but not your entire political narrative. (Not exactly relevant but for some reason I thought you were half Japanese and half white until this thread so you being brown is news to me.) Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Yeah that's cool and everything, but we're not gonna punish others to protect your fragile sensibilities. As far as I'm concerned you are both entitled to your opinion and there's no cause for moderator action unless it escalates to personal attacks and slurs.

>another classic racist tactic - calling the result of responding to massive cultural and ancestral genocide 'fragile,' but somehow your white friend getting upset at the thought of not being able to use a spell on a mario message board the way he'd like to isn't fragile.

I thought your responses in this thread were what he was calling fragile, not your ancestors who faced atrocities. When did he call them fragile? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Also, we didn't say anything in the Slack that we didn't also say in this thread, so what was even the point?

>just thought it would be useful to show other people the kind of passive aggressive tone you guys use behind closed doors (heaven knows what else you say on more private channels of communication). i hope it isn't too much of a problem for you guys.

I've stated this before but I talk shit about everyone on a constant basis behind their back (except I don't do it under the assumption they can't find out.) Is this abnormal? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>we should just pre-emptively ban everyone except orion tbh

>believe it or not, not everyone on this forum is racist, and i truly believe that a lot of the ones that are aware of their white privilege and know that it must be removed in order to build a better world we live in want to try and mitigate the effects of this as much as possible and listen to people that can help them achieve this. i have made racist posts on Minus World in the past and i have learnt from (white!) people who have pointed this out to me.

Am I racist? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>also i don't get where the idea of banning people even come from. so many passive aggressive mods online tonight.

I think people think about banning whenever there is tension. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>just thought it would be useful to show other people the kind of passive aggressive tone you guys use behind closed doors (heaven knows what else you say on more private channels of communication). i hope it isn't too much of a problem for you guys.

>>Passive aggressive? Because some of us don't agree with your sentiment?

>look bro i know you're embarrassed that i posted your slack treehouse club messages but there's really no need to get so worked up over this.

How do you know he's embarassed or what emotion a person across the internet is feeling at any given time? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>tl;dr: nobody said anything racist except Oracular herself (again)

>>I also like how you think the slack is some kind of secret chat when it's clearly linked from the forum and anyone is allowed in

>dunno where i said slack was a secret chat, but it's interesting nonetheless that you decided to post that content in there and not on the forum. if everyone's allowed in i'm sure you should have no qualms with me posting the discussion here.

People hae qualms that the discussions were posted here? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>it's really concerning that one of our administrators thinks i've said anything racist in this topic, i thought that we were done with this kind of mentality when McKnackus and Teddy left. it really is regrettable that you're toxic thought processes help govern the way that this forum is managed.

McKnackus and Teddy are racist? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>believe it or not, not everyone on this forum is racist, and i truly believe that a lot of the ones that are aware of their white privilege and know that it must be removed in order to build a better world we live in want to try and mitigate the effects of this as much as possible and listen to people that can help them achieve this.

>>"Help me help you achieve spiritual nirvana by making the metagame easier for me"

>things that white people do: believe that removing racism from the forum is a metagame tactic

Pretty sure the person you're responding to was being facesious. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>are you trying to imply that some kinda "Reverse Racism" thing exists?

>>Nope it's just racism lol

>>You can give me your "white people have magic powers and have everything going for them all the time" spiel but it'll never stop being complete unadulterated childish bullshit

>white people don't have magic powers and really have very little going for them. i know it's a hard pill to swallow but admitting the fact that you have an illness is the first step towards being cured

Are you gaslighting? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>>white people don't have magic powers and really have very little going for them. i know it's a hard pill to swallow but admitting the fact that you have an illness is the first step towards being cured

>>I'm the one with an illness{?}

>>You think you can share thoughts with trees

>and you think you aren't racist, i guess that makes us both delusional

I do not understand the intention you had behind making this post. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Honestly I hope you never have to experience actual racism because you couldn't handle it. I'm gonna bow out of this thread now before it becomes too messy

>'actual racism' lol what an amazing term. i guess white people think that 'casual racism' and 'actual racism' aren't part of the same system and don't feed each other or something.

At this point am I to assume you believe all white people have all the same exact beliefs as your interpetation of Spritey's beliefs are? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>i can kind of see why someone who doesn't have to experience being on the receiving end of racism would think in this way, but it's a flawed way of thinking.

It's easy to call a way of thinking flawed when you invent it and then claim that it's held by the person you're talking to. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>of course i'd choose someone editing my posts on a forum over being rejected from jobs/uni or being bullied at school or my slave g. g. grandmother being raped but i didn't get a choice either way, and i think i'm doing a damn fine job at handling all that.

Your struggles are valid and I am apalled they took place. Nobody deserves to go through atrocities. My condolences. Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>you, on the other hand can't even handle me calling you out over your posts. this isn't going to become too messy unless you make it too messy.

Are you calling him out over things he's actually saying or are you calling him out on your interpretations of things he's saying? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

>>Spritey has nothing to do with moderation, fyi.

>yeah i wasn't sure about this one. he sure likes to think that he has, though, and he definitely has enough connections to the mod decisions to backseat moderate if left unchecked.

Is this true? Spritey has influence over MW? Please let me know if I misinterpreted anything you said in this quote. I realize you're not obligated to respond to this but I would appreciate it if you did.

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What does that even mean? There's a thread in the staff forum as we speak discussing what to "do" about your behavior, and I've been defending you the entire time. On Old MW when you were banned for the Cave Beast thing, I came forward and admitted it was me.

thanks for defending me.

it's just unclear as to what your position in the Old Guard is. i'm getting mixed messages from various mods. you're saying "All I did was build the site, design the themes + logo, and create all the metagame features from scratch," but you're also saying that you have access to the staff forum and it appears that you are contributing to the discussion that is happening there. either you are moderating the forum alongside being tech support, or you are solely being tech support. which is it? this needs to be defined.

I've been trying to be a voice for fairness and reason in MFGG moderation for the past decade. I would never, EVER use my position to get somebody unjustly banned, no matter how I feel about them personally.

i appreciate the sentiment but this is what any person in a position of power has ever said. McKnackus has said it, Teddy has said it, Draku has said it, Elyk has said it, and they've all made poor judgments in the past. everyone has their reasons for making decisions and everyone thinks they're being fair. if you want to be a voice of fairness and reason, you can start by acknowledging your IRL privileges rather than pretending that they don't exist when you log into Minus World.

This thing you do? Where you make assumptions about people and parade around like you know everything, praying for your daily dose of pathetic internet confrontation? It's fucking annoying. You don't get points for giving everyone a hard time, at least not outside of your own mind. My advice is to stop being a Big Tough Bad Guy Wrestler and start actually trying to contribute positive content.

i don't know everything. i really know very little and i'm not a smart person. i don't understand maths, how to read clocks, or know how to make good life decisions. i don't know how to make money. i don't know how to fill out forms and it takes me several minutes to prepare to make a simple phone call. what i do know is things that other people don't. i know my voice is unique and valuable. it isn't smart all the time or in every faculty, but i am certain that i have knowledge that is useful to people and this knowledge can only be gained from me. it may be annoying. knowledge can be annoying if you are not predisposed to obtain knowledge, and especially so if you only want to hear knowledges that affirm your own worldview. my knowledge will only give you a hard time if you respond to it in such a fashion, if you wish to resist and fight against it. you can choose to ignore it, but you don't because you know that you are getting something that you need from my posts. i am humbled to be part of your progression as a human being. you may not feel like you are progressing, you may be blinded with anger, but not all progression comes in the form of positivity and comfort. there has to be posters like me, just like there has to be posters like The Renz.

i appreciate your advice, but i will not accept it. i will not and cannot apologise for being annoying to you, as it is not my responsibility to burden myself with the pain of your responses to my existence. rest assured, however, that i will never, EVER, stop contributing only the best content ever posted on this forum and all other forum that have existed, do exist, or will exist.

Given that Spritey makes most of the forum, it's difficult to divorce him from staff discussion. His account has no administrative authority on users.

@Puddin i will not be able to respond to your exceptional post tonight, but i intend to do so tomorrow. thank you for posting it and i look forward to discussing what you've brought up.

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